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  Little talk about blood fractions

  by wannaexit in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  it appears that watchtower is distancing itself from the blood fractions.

  the new "blood card" doesn't mention them and any mention of blood in the watchtower ignores fractions.

  i wander if they are going back to their hard stance.

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  Lee Elder

  Wannaexit. Can you post the card for us?

  Thanks
  
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  For those who are still in... What do you do about field service?

  by Wait For It in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for those of you who are still in because of family circumstances, what do you do about field service?

  do you still go regularly, sporadically or not at all?.

  if you do still go, how do you manage?

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  Sad to say, I was a "true believer" right up until the end, or pretty close to it. At the very end, I would do many of the things already mentioned, and didn't use anything other than the Bible at the door. I can remember when I was in my teens, I was a regular pioneer and the sons of the city overseer use to joke that they would walk up to the doors, and not ring the bell or knock - simply stand there hoping no one would walk up to answer the door. They told me it almost always worked, and they rarely had to speak to anyone. I thought it was terrible at the time, but obviously, they had it right, and I was just too brain washed to see through the bull shit.
  
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  Russian Supreme Court takes a Stand on the Blood Issue

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  in a move that will certainly be carefully analyzed, the russian supreme court has upheld a lower court ban on jehovah's witnesses, in large part due to their controversial policy on the remaining prohibition of whole blood and some blood products that remain essential in certain emergency situations and conditions.

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  http://www.rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20160609/276279094.html.

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  In a move that will certainly be carefully analyzed, the Russian Supreme Court has upheld a lower court ban on Jehovah's Witnesses, in large part due to their controversial policy on the remaining prohibition of whole blood and some blood products that remain essential in certain emergency situations and conditions.

  http://www.rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20160609/276279094.html
  
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  New Provision to Assist Us to Abstain From Blood - Dec KM

  by truthseeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  if you wondered whether the society would print blood cards this year, they won't.

  blood cards are out.. consider the box found on the december km, entitled "new provision to assist us to abstain from blood".

  the governing body has approved combining the essential elements of the durable power of attorney (dpa) document and the advance.

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  Lee Elder

  I don't believe there is anything new here. They stopped the annual

  blood card signing in 2004. Here is our current analysis:

  http://ajwrb.org/medicine/watchtower-no-blood-card

  Marvin has one of the state forms posted although not current:

  http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2010/04/watchtower-blood-doctrine-facts.html
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  Died Due To Refusing Blood Transfusion

  by rrb2016 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  well, last monday my mother, a jehovah's witness since her baptism in 1968 died last week because she would not accept a blood transfusion.

  she was 76 and had lung and skin cancer.

  i know that the cancer would have gotten her anyway, but she was bleeding internally, and was told that she needs a blood transfusion, as her blood count went all the way down to 3.2 (should be 12-14.

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  Lee Elder

  Very sorry for your loss. If you send us a photograph, we will include your mom

  as a victim of the policy.

  Lee

  
  www.ajwrb.org
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  Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

  the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

  it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

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  Lee Elder

  Hemopure is being used by JWs on a compassionate usage basis in the U.S. in some situations. The Boston bombing comes to mind. If you use the "find" function in Adobe and type in "Jehovah's" you can quickly view all of the citations in the FDA's pdf.
  
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  What was there before the Big Bang?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

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  Energy is probably a constant - having always existed. Given the right conditions it can become matter. Those conditions are largely a matter of speculation.
  
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  Watchtower set for its biggest pay day, ever.

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if this is true, and we will have to wait and see.

  prince could give everything to the watchtower.

  so that's his $300 million fortune.

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  Lee Elder

  With such a large estate, Probate would be required in Minnesota regardless of whether or not there is a will. If his compound or other real estate was owned in "Joint Tenancy" it could pass directly to the other named owner/owners or "Joint Tenants" on the deed thus bypassing probate. The same would be true of jointly held accounts, payable on death accounts, or life insurance that names a beneficiary. If he had a total of $50,000 or less in personal property, then probate can be avoided. Obviously, that is not the case.

  The term "probate" actually comes from the Latin "to prove", and refers to the legal process of proving that someone had a valid will. They had to "prove" their claim to the estate. My guess is that this will be a very complex probate process that could drag on for years.
  
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  Fade question: New Cong or stay.

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have a question with regard to fading.

  the wife and i have plans to move to another hall and continue our fade from the organization.

  we are already missing quite a few meetings and we are not reporting time.

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  Lee Elder

  Try to move to a hall where the new elders will have to travel 30-45 minutes to reach you. They won't try too many times.
  
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  Where and What. . . IS THE EVIDENCE for "Mental ILLNESS"? ? ?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have no interest whatsoever in stirring up controversy.. in fact, i find clashes of opinion to be debilitatingly negative.. so, i'd simply like to request that we narrow this discussion to evidence.. please watch this video which is tantalizingly titled :.

  "there's no such thing as mental illness".. consider this data and listen to the presentation of cause vs. effects and give me your analysis and any evidence for conclusions you may draw.

  we all have anecdotal tendencies, but i should remind you, anecdotal testimony isn't evidence, only opinion.________________________________________.

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  It is hard to imagine any part of the human body that is not subject to disease, disorder, dysfunction, infection, etc. Why would the brain be the exception? No question in my mind that mental illness is real. Quite a bit of it can now be shown on an MRI or PET Scan.